Kincaid Performance is going to hate me for this but... KILLER CHILLER EXPOSED!!!

[Akai oni]

So... i was at work, in the shop today doing some maintinence on ur machine when i seen something that looked very simular to the Kinkaid Performance Killer Chiller... attached to the bottom of the radiator of a backhoe that was in the shop for motor work.

i looked it over and talked to our mechanic and asked him what it was, after he told me what it was i explained what the killer chiller is to him and he laughed and pointed at the black box on the radiator...

as explained by our mechanic... it's a water/coolant cooled hydraulic oil cooler, the oil enters the box via a fiting on either side and passes through an oil cooler within the box and out through the fitting on the opposite side... the coolant lines enter the box also. the box is set inline with the coolant system and used as a resivoir for coolant that passes over the oil cooler inside, using the moving coolant to extract the heat in the hydraulic oil inside the oil cooler enclosed in the box...
Then it hit me, all kinkaid performance did was take the design of the water cooled hydraulic oil cooler and reverse and change it's purpose... rather than passing coolant over the enclosed oil cooler to cool hydraulic oil, the plumbed it inline with the A/C system to route the freeon through the enclosed oil cooler to cool the coolant in the system/resevoir...

simply put, you can find these in a junk yard, ect... or even make one for pretty cheap considering all it is is a metal box with an oil cooler inside with 4 fittings, 2 are connected to the enclosed oil cooler to pass freeon through the system and 2 are to connect the coolant lines to fill and pass coolant through the box and over the oil cooler to super cool the coolant for the water to air intercooler, thus using old technology used to cool hydraulic oil... to cool coolant using freeon from your A/C system.

ill get a picture of the unit tomorrow at work so i can illustrate for yall...

untill then here is a pic of the kinkaid performance killer chiller.

http://www.killerchiller.com/images/killerc%20chiller%20photo2%20blu_bkg.jpg

this is how it is supposed to be plumbed into the system.

http://www.killerchiller.com/images/ADVANCED%20KC%20SYSTEM.bmp

basically...

A rectangular box plus one of these

http://www.alamomotorsports.com/pmc/CatImages/PG07-L1.gif

and some fittings = Kincaid Performance Killer Chiller.

[bc3tech]

hahaha. freaking awesome find man :) very nice.

my former boss' last name was Kincaid & he was a freaking hoser. scamming must run in the family or something.

[taztassio]

so let me get this straight...
its an engine oil cooler that is cooled via the standard engine coolant?

or and engine oil cooler cooled by the AC?

or an 'intercooler' cooled by the ac?

[Cat Ion]

Intercooler fluid cooled by the freon on the decompression side of the AC.

[taztassio]

cool. (pun intended...)

and how do i get one here in australia, ahha

[Akai oni]

more info...

http://me1065.wikidot.com/local--resized-images/automotive-heat-exchangers/Basic_Hxgr/medium.jpg

where it says "cold fluid in" is where you would plumb the A/C system into the setup... and where it says "warm fluid in" is where the coolant would enter...
The one in the picture isn't a box like the KC, but somehow i think the tubular design would be more efficient and moving fluid.

Taken from here ---> http://me1065.wikidot.com/automotive-heat-exchangers

Here's another example of how it works... and im guessing this is the difference between kincaids two models with different efficiencies.

the coolant enters through one chamber as the freeon passes through the other, the multi pass setup is probably thier more expensive unit.

http://www.engineersedge.com/heat_exchanger/images/Campar13.gif

which brought me to this conclusion...


well... i think i may have figured out exactly what they are doing... the KC is the same dementions and it would make sense to use this design...

http://www.dudadiesel.com/img/item/how_heat_exchanger_works.jpg

The Hot Fluid will pass from one port and out the other on the opposite end going the long way. The hot fluid will fill up every other channel created by the plates. The cold fluid will pass from one port to the other on the opposite side of the heat exchanger, filling up each channel which was not filled by the hot fluid. These thin plates which create these channels allow heat transfer between the two fluids to occur without actually mixing the fluids. Conduction occurs naturally from the heat temperature difference between the two fluids while convection occurs as the fluids move faster and turbulence occurs. Most of our heat exchangers are rippled so turbulence is forced into the heat exchanger, making a more efficient heat transfer.

im pretty sure all they did was take a plate design fluid to fluid heat exchanger and run freon through it to cool the coolant...

the concept may be thiers (and it is a brilliant one at that) but the acctual unit is nothing more than a re-packaged heat exchanger with some fancy casing around it.

look at the simularities from a top view...
http://www.killerchiller.com/images/shelby%20kc%20install.JPG
http://www.dudadiesel.com/img/item/HETOPb.jpg

they took a plate design fluid to fluid heat exchanger, slapped a plastic cover on it, attached some fittings and called it a Killer Chiller... the only thing inventive and groundbreaking about it is the idea to use it to channel freon and coolant to optimize the stock cooling system... which i think is fucking brilliant! but they are lying by saying it is thier design... the only thing the kit includes is a couple rubber hoses, some clamps and plastic elbow fittings.

not to mention... a plate style heat exchanger can be purchased for less than $100. add in the cost of the fittings and materials needed to make a complete kit and you still come out spending a hell of a lot less than the KC kit sells for.

[Akai oni]

well... i think i may have figured out exactly what they are doing... the KC is the same dementions and it would make sense to use this design...
http://www.dudadiesel.com/img/item/how_heat_exchanger_works.jpg
The Hot Fluid will pass from one port and out the other on the opposite end going the long way. The hot fluid will fill up every other channel created by the plates. The cold fluid will pass from one port to the other on the opposite side of the heat exchanger, filling up each channel which was not filled by the hot fluid. These thin plates which create these channels allow heat transfer between the two fluids to occur without actually mixing the fluids. Conduction occurs naturally from the heat temperature difference between the two fluids while convection occurs as the fluids move faster and turbulence occurs. Most of our heat exchangers are rippled so turbulence is forced into the heat exchanger, making a more efficient heat transfer.

im pretty sure all they did was take a plate design fluid to fluid heat exchanger and run freon through it to cool the coolant...

the concept may be thiers (and it is a brilliant one at that) but the acctual unit is nothing more than a re-packaged heat exchanger with some fancy casing around it.

look at the simularities from a top view...
http://www.killerchiller.com/images/shelby%20kc%20install.JPG
http://www.dudadiesel.com/img/item/HETOPb.jpg
they took a plate design fluid to fluid heat exchanger, slapped a plastic cover on it, attached some fittings and called it a Killer Chiller... the only thing inventive and groundbreaking about it is the idea to use it to channel freon and coolant to optimize the stock cooling system... which i think is fucking brilliant! but they are lying by saying it is thier design... the only thing the kit includes is a couple rubber hoses, some clamps and plastic elbow fittings.

not to mention... a plate style heat exchanger can be purchased for less than $100. add in the cost of the fittings and materials needed to make a complete kit and you still come out spending a hell of a lot less than the KC kit sells for.

EVEN MORE PROOF!

i highlighted the areas that make this claim even more believeable, the plate style heat exchanger is used in water/refridgerant type air conditioning units for home cooling systems.

Dimensions:
Length: 7.52 inches

Width: 2.87 inches

Height: 2.92 inches

Weight: Under 4 lb

Heat Transfer Area: .014 m2/plate (.14 ft2/plate)

Plate Thickness: .3 mm (.012 inches)

Channel Capacities: .022 L/channel (.00582 gallons/channel)

Design (Max) Pressure: 435 psi (3.0 MPa)

Test Pressure: 635 psi (4.5 MPa)

Design (min/max) Temperature: -195C/+220C (-319 F/+430 F)

Estimated HeatTransfer 1-5KW or 3500-17,500 BTU/hour

Note: These estimated heat transfers are based
on a solar water heating application. A typical
application has about 110 deg F on the hot side
and 65 deg F on the cold side. If your temperatures
are colder or hotter, you will get more heat transfer.
If your flow rate is above about 1 gpm, you will get
more heat transfer.

Flow Direction: F1-F3 and F2-F4

Weld/Brazing Material: 99.99% Copper

Food Grade? Yes! Nothing but clean metal here.

Corrosion resistance: Very good. Hard water typically takes 10 years to decay.

Plate Material: SS304

Application:
Boiler systems, solar water hearting, Heat pump system,
household type central air conditioning, after heat recycling,
refrigeration equipment, industry cold water machine,
cooleroil, air conditioners & anything else with two fluids
of varying temperatures

[taztassio]

very interesting.



i suppose its like a F2F intercooler (fluid to fluid) and you could adapt to cool any of the fluids in the car

[Akai oni]

very interesting.



i suppose its like a F2F intercooler (fluid to fluid) and you could adapt to cool any of the fluids in the car

thats exactly what it is and they are getting rich off of it claiming it's thier own original design. all they did was re-package a plate style heat exchanger and call it a killer chiller, the idea is original (thought laminova suggested a setup like this to compliment the stock system) but the design is a total rip off and you can build the kit for waaaaaay less than what KP is charging for it.

[taztassio]

i like the sound of this kit (well building my own).

why dont you piece parts together, im sure you could make a bit of spare cash undercutting the competition!

i would buy from you!

[Akai oni]

i like the sound of this kit (well building my own).

why dont you piece parts together, im sure you could make a bit of spare cash undercutting the competition!

i would buy from you!

Because im sure they patented the whole A/C system utilization idea... and im pretty sure they aren't too happy with me right now lol... i've posted this onlike 5 different forums lol... so if i ended up making a kit and selling it, chances are they would try to come after me for it out of spite.

[bc3tech]

Because im sure they patented the whole A/C system utilization idea... and im pretty sure they aren't too happy with me right now lol... i've posted this onlike 5 different forums lol... so if i ended up making a kit and selling it, chances are they would try to come after me for it out of spite.
i believe the US patent office has an online directory of patents. you should be able to search by company name, i'd think. check it out. patents are expensive to file so if they didn't want to spend the cash then they may not even have one :) hell if you had the extra cash laying around (a few grand) you could patent it then go after THEM! :up_to_som:

[Akai oni]

i believe the US patent office has an online directory of patents. you should be able to search by company name, i'd think. check it out. patents are expensive to file so if they didn't want to spend the cash then they may not even have one :) hell if you had the extra cash laying around (a few grand) you could patent it then go after THEM! :up_to_som:

Thats fuckin dirty! lol.... :rollinglaugh::rofl: you're my hero man!

[taztassio]

do it, but special deal for us members on here ;D

also, call it something else, and say you can use it for... and just give a list :D

[OZ38]

thats exactly what it is and they are getting rich off of it claiming it's thier own original design. all they did was re-package a plate style heat exchanger and call it a killer chiller, the idea is original (thought laminova suggested a setup like this to compliment the stock system) but the design is a total rip off and you can build the kit for waaaaaay less than what KP is charging for it.
Out of interest.
What do KP charge for a kit ?

Cheers

Deek

[bc3tech]

Out of interest.
What do KP charge for a kit ?

Cheers

Deek
depends on the kit

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[all4glh]

Have you ever tried turnin the defroster on full blast of cold air. I used to see my IAT2's drop from doing that, no bullshit. Maybe we have a built in killer chiller. LOL.