bc3tech
August 29th, 2007, 12:15am
This is a quick synopsis of what went down between Dan (djt) and TNT Autosport (rep's nick is TCarter). Remember if you buy from an internet vendor, always use a credit card so you can dispute the charge later if they try and screw you!
I ordered an Aeroforce interceptor from TNT autosport as part of their first group buy. I ordered and paid for the item 2/9/2007. I was told I would receive it by 2/19/2007. After some delay is was shipped 2/22/2007 as seen in this link:
http://www.fedex.com/Tracking?sum=n&ascend_header=1&clienttype=dotcom&spnlk=spnl3&initial=n&cntry_code=us&tracknumber_list=3823734600019&language=english&track_number_0=3823734+60003319&track_number_replace_0=3823734600019
Fedex claimed to have delivered it 2/24/2007 at 12:06pm. This is a Saturday. The place of delivery was my grandparents house. My grand pap is there every Saturday from when he wakes up (7am) until he leaves for church at 4:30pm. He takes his shower and gets ready for church at 1pm. He was there this day and he says the Fedex truck never came. (I have never had a shipping problem with this address by the way).
Upon seeing this I contact Fedex and am told to contact the vendor as they only deal with the shipper not the recipient. I contact TNT autosport and explain the situation. He says no worries the package is insured. After some time of reminding him he finally gets the insurance paperwork in and from what I have been told from both him and Fedex the claim was denied. He says I will take care of it and will try to get you one with the next group buy.
The next group buy comes and goes and a local friend gets his gauge. At this point I AIM TSCarterJr and ask them the situation and why I had not received mine. They stated that they were going to try to get Aeroforce to replace it but they didn’t so that is why I didn’t have one. So I say “and when were you planning to tell me this”. To this I receive no reply. At this point I request a refund and am told that I will receive one once Fedex reimburses them. I tell them to just refund me the money since Fedex refunds the shipper and I am told that TNT will not refund me.
Now a few months of waiting and being told it is being worked on and to be patient happen.
So after all this time of being told that they are working with Fedex. On 6/1/2007 I send them an email saying ok, action by 6/8/2007 or I will have to get a lawyer involved. To this they reply (complete emails are saved):
My 100% satisfaction guarantee does not include me giving free products away due to another companies fuck up (FedEx). I am a busy man taking care of other orders, and to date since ive been open have only lost 1 (yours).
It is not financialy smart to take money out of my pocket to refund you...if I had the money, trust me...I would.
But everytime I call, the lady that represents the case, is either out to lunch, went home for the day, or on vacation.
Ive left numerous messages, with still no luck.
I will continue to try and contact them, however if I see any legal action taking place, I will stop all communications.
6/8/2007 I hear nothing and I email them asking about it and receive no reply.
I let it go until today 6/12/2007 when I talk to them on AIM again. This is what they say:
DJT81185 (2:38:14 PM): so whats the deal on the intereptor?
TSCarterJr (2:49:08 PM): im not refunding you
DJT81185 (2:49:16 PM): ?
TSCarterJr (2:49:27 PM): im not going to refund you
DJT81185 (2:49:30 PM): ok
DJT81185 (2:49:34 PM): then when is my gauge coming
TSCarterJr (2:49:37 PM): and fedex doesnt seem to want to do anything about it
TSCarterJr (2:49:56 PM): im not ordering you a new one unless you pay for it
So I paid for a gauge in February. The vendor sent it after a small delay using their preferred shipping method at the time. They did not have signature required on the item. I never received the package and now they are not doing anything about it. I am now out $210 and have no gauge.
Poor Customer Service…BUYER BEWARE!!!!!
On the upside the court case is set for 8/8/07 at 9:45am...Pics and vids will follow lol.
He is located in Illinois. The court is located in the local of the crime which is technically at my home here. He has to come to PA to defend.
Cliff notes:
A guy bought a 2.4 turbo swap from hahn through tnt, actually was using a layaway plan and paying 50 bucks at a time. He only made 2 payments before he decided he wanted to go a different route. Well, they wanted to keep 10% of his money first of all and he was actually ok with that, now they won't return his calls or refund his money at all. He ended up having to cancel his credit card in fear of them continually trying to charge him.
Another post was from a guy who ordered an intake I believe a month ago and still hasn't shown up.
Another was about some group buy on "shorty antennas" that ended over a month ago and still no word on those.
Then one of his nuthugger friends came on and said he got robbed. I guess everyone who had an order placed through him just became his home owners insurance policy. :bananahum How convenient.
Then css.net deleted the thread to cover up his scams yet again.
On a side note, Dan's court case with him is set for a little over a week. According to Dan he still hasn't mailed his intent to defend.
Court Hearing is at 9:45am today. Still have not received an intent to defend letter. This ought to be fun
Dan
I won
He didnt show or even file a defense.
Judge said he didnt even attempt to defend
He has 30 days to pay. The judge said if he doesnt to come back to court.
Dan
DIdnt my case set a precident
So wouldnt someone who had a product not received...after my post date...be able to sue css.net for the assisting a fraud thing since their coverups helped tnt get money?
Or could I sue them on grounds of obstructing justice...aka deleting threads that have potentially damaging statements made by tnt.
Either way let me know what u brew up.
I figured you guys would like this:
DJT81185 (8:50:25 PM): lol
DJT81185 (8:50:32 PM): ur legal obligated to pay me
DJT81185 (8:50:36 PM): paper came today
TSCarterJr (8:50:39 PM): i know this
DJT81185 (8:50:40 PM): check ur mail
DJT81185 (8:51:08 PM): theyll either deduct from ur paychecks
DJT81185 (8:51:16 PM): or have a sheriffs sale of ur property until im paid
TSCarterJr (8:51:24 PM): uh huh
TSCarterJr (8:51:48 PM): there something you want?
DJT81185 (8:51:55 PM): mah money
TSCarterJr (8:52:11 PM): well if im ordered to by the court..i guess i'll pay
DJT81185 (8:52:18 PM): u were lol
TSCarterJr (8:52:20 PM): but im not gonna refund you if thats what you mean
DJT81185 (8:52:29 PM): u were ordered to pay gauge and court costs
TSCarterJr (8:52:30 PM): i dont have anything that says that yet
TSCarterJr (8:52:36 PM): oh ya?
DJT81185 (8:52:39 PM): mine came today 1 sec ill get the total
DJT81185 (8:53:18 PM): i was gonna charge u for the day i missed from work to go to court house but i was a nice guy and didnt
DJT81185 (8:53:24 PM): 269 is judgement
DJT81185 (8:53:31 PM): 210 for gauge and 59 court costs
TSCarterJr (8:53:31 PM): penny money
TSCarterJr (8:53:44 PM): good thing you didnt add in shipping too!
DJT81185 (8:53:56 PM): it was free...
TSCarterJr (8:54:09 PM): was it?
DJT81185 (8:54:15 PM): idk...never got it
TSCarterJr (8:54:15 PM): mustve been a good deal i had going
DJT81185 (8:54:43 PM): either way mine came today urs should be there tomorrow
TSCarterJr (8:55:13 PM): thanks for the heads up
DJT81185 (8:55:21 PM): np
DJT81185 (8:55:25 PM): later
TSCarterJr (8:55:29 PM): bye
I never received the part. Fedex said it was delivered but there was no signature. Only legal proof of delivery is signature. Therefore in the eyes of the law it was never delivered (And it honestly wasnt...I have a hole in my dash where it is supposed to be). There for TNT has to pay.
Not exactly. FedEx won't talk directly to the customer. They only deal w/ the shipper.
TNT (the shipper) says that FedEx denied his claim b/c it was delivered, and the FedEx driver personally saw someone come out of the house to retrieve the package.
DJT didn't believe this, and he has no way to verify anything w/ FedEx. His only recourse is/was to file suit.
Since TNT elected not to defend, there was a default judgement in DJT's favor.
So either one of two things is true:
1. TNT is lying, and he knew that it would come out in court.
2. TNT estimated his cost of defending was higher than the cost of refunding DJT's money.
The only person who REALLY knows what happened is TNT. Personally, I think TNT is stupid for shipping a high dollar item w/o requiring a signature in the first place.
A case was filed with fedex and they denied it saying it was delivered. I had my grandpap at home at time of delivery and he said it wasnt delivered. A tracking number is not legal proof of delivery. A driver could easily steal it and mark it delivered or it could be stolen off the porch.
Legally the shipper is responsible for the package until it arrives in the hands of the recipient. Only way you can guarantee it is in their hands is with signature. Read the fedex/ups waivers.
He got a hold of ups/fedex, they said it was the responsibility of the party that shipped the item to make an insurance claim, and TNT failed to properly follow through with it and more or less told Dan 'tough luck'. At least that is what I got out of talking to him and reading all of this.
They denied the claim but he has given multiple reasons so idk what the actual reason is. Hes been making shit up as he goes along and we've caught him doing it. Like he said fedex told him they saw my gpap pick up the package and wave to him. but this was after on the phone I physically described to him my porch so he could "explain it to fedex" and also explained to him that my gpap was home at time of delivery. Prior to this phone call he had no reason as to why fedex denied the claim. After the phone call...voila fedex had a reason.
And he shipped it without signature required
TNT Autosport has since been removed from Vendor status on cobaltss.net ("the shortbuss" in the above conversations)
I ordered an Aeroforce interceptor from TNT autosport as part of their first group buy. I ordered and paid for the item 2/9/2007. I was told I would receive it by 2/19/2007. After some delay is was shipped 2/22/2007 as seen in this link:
http://www.fedex.com/Tracking?sum=n&ascend_header=1&clienttype=dotcom&spnlk=spnl3&initial=n&cntry_code=us&tracknumber_list=3823734600019&language=english&track_number_0=3823734+60003319&track_number_replace_0=3823734600019
Fedex claimed to have delivered it 2/24/2007 at 12:06pm. This is a Saturday. The place of delivery was my grandparents house. My grand pap is there every Saturday from when he wakes up (7am) until he leaves for church at 4:30pm. He takes his shower and gets ready for church at 1pm. He was there this day and he says the Fedex truck never came. (I have never had a shipping problem with this address by the way).
Upon seeing this I contact Fedex and am told to contact the vendor as they only deal with the shipper not the recipient. I contact TNT autosport and explain the situation. He says no worries the package is insured. After some time of reminding him he finally gets the insurance paperwork in and from what I have been told from both him and Fedex the claim was denied. He says I will take care of it and will try to get you one with the next group buy.
The next group buy comes and goes and a local friend gets his gauge. At this point I AIM TSCarterJr and ask them the situation and why I had not received mine. They stated that they were going to try to get Aeroforce to replace it but they didn’t so that is why I didn’t have one. So I say “and when were you planning to tell me this”. To this I receive no reply. At this point I request a refund and am told that I will receive one once Fedex reimburses them. I tell them to just refund me the money since Fedex refunds the shipper and I am told that TNT will not refund me.
Now a few months of waiting and being told it is being worked on and to be patient happen.
So after all this time of being told that they are working with Fedex. On 6/1/2007 I send them an email saying ok, action by 6/8/2007 or I will have to get a lawyer involved. To this they reply (complete emails are saved):
My 100% satisfaction guarantee does not include me giving free products away due to another companies fuck up (FedEx). I am a busy man taking care of other orders, and to date since ive been open have only lost 1 (yours).
It is not financialy smart to take money out of my pocket to refund you...if I had the money, trust me...I would.
But everytime I call, the lady that represents the case, is either out to lunch, went home for the day, or on vacation.
Ive left numerous messages, with still no luck.
I will continue to try and contact them, however if I see any legal action taking place, I will stop all communications.
6/8/2007 I hear nothing and I email them asking about it and receive no reply.
I let it go until today 6/12/2007 when I talk to them on AIM again. This is what they say:
DJT81185 (2:38:14 PM): so whats the deal on the intereptor?
TSCarterJr (2:49:08 PM): im not refunding you
DJT81185 (2:49:16 PM): ?
TSCarterJr (2:49:27 PM): im not going to refund you
DJT81185 (2:49:30 PM): ok
DJT81185 (2:49:34 PM): then when is my gauge coming
TSCarterJr (2:49:37 PM): and fedex doesnt seem to want to do anything about it
TSCarterJr (2:49:56 PM): im not ordering you a new one unless you pay for it
So I paid for a gauge in February. The vendor sent it after a small delay using their preferred shipping method at the time. They did not have signature required on the item. I never received the package and now they are not doing anything about it. I am now out $210 and have no gauge.
Poor Customer Service…BUYER BEWARE!!!!!
On the upside the court case is set for 8/8/07 at 9:45am...Pics and vids will follow lol.
He is located in Illinois. The court is located in the local of the crime which is technically at my home here. He has to come to PA to defend.
Cliff notes:
A guy bought a 2.4 turbo swap from hahn through tnt, actually was using a layaway plan and paying 50 bucks at a time. He only made 2 payments before he decided he wanted to go a different route. Well, they wanted to keep 10% of his money first of all and he was actually ok with that, now they won't return his calls or refund his money at all. He ended up having to cancel his credit card in fear of them continually trying to charge him.
Another post was from a guy who ordered an intake I believe a month ago and still hasn't shown up.
Another was about some group buy on "shorty antennas" that ended over a month ago and still no word on those.
Then one of his nuthugger friends came on and said he got robbed. I guess everyone who had an order placed through him just became his home owners insurance policy. :bananahum How convenient.
Then css.net deleted the thread to cover up his scams yet again.
On a side note, Dan's court case with him is set for a little over a week. According to Dan he still hasn't mailed his intent to defend.
Court Hearing is at 9:45am today. Still have not received an intent to defend letter. This ought to be fun
Dan
I won
He didnt show or even file a defense.
Judge said he didnt even attempt to defend
He has 30 days to pay. The judge said if he doesnt to come back to court.
Dan
DIdnt my case set a precident
So wouldnt someone who had a product not received...after my post date...be able to sue css.net for the assisting a fraud thing since their coverups helped tnt get money?
Or could I sue them on grounds of obstructing justice...aka deleting threads that have potentially damaging statements made by tnt.
Either way let me know what u brew up.
I figured you guys would like this:
DJT81185 (8:50:25 PM): lol
DJT81185 (8:50:32 PM): ur legal obligated to pay me
DJT81185 (8:50:36 PM): paper came today
TSCarterJr (8:50:39 PM): i know this
DJT81185 (8:50:40 PM): check ur mail
DJT81185 (8:51:08 PM): theyll either deduct from ur paychecks
DJT81185 (8:51:16 PM): or have a sheriffs sale of ur property until im paid
TSCarterJr (8:51:24 PM): uh huh
TSCarterJr (8:51:48 PM): there something you want?
DJT81185 (8:51:55 PM): mah money
TSCarterJr (8:52:11 PM): well if im ordered to by the court..i guess i'll pay
DJT81185 (8:52:18 PM): u were lol
TSCarterJr (8:52:20 PM): but im not gonna refund you if thats what you mean
DJT81185 (8:52:29 PM): u were ordered to pay gauge and court costs
TSCarterJr (8:52:30 PM): i dont have anything that says that yet
TSCarterJr (8:52:36 PM): oh ya?
DJT81185 (8:52:39 PM): mine came today 1 sec ill get the total
DJT81185 (8:53:18 PM): i was gonna charge u for the day i missed from work to go to court house but i was a nice guy and didnt
DJT81185 (8:53:24 PM): 269 is judgement
DJT81185 (8:53:31 PM): 210 for gauge and 59 court costs
TSCarterJr (8:53:31 PM): penny money
TSCarterJr (8:53:44 PM): good thing you didnt add in shipping too!
DJT81185 (8:53:56 PM): it was free...
TSCarterJr (8:54:09 PM): was it?
DJT81185 (8:54:15 PM): idk...never got it
TSCarterJr (8:54:15 PM): mustve been a good deal i had going
DJT81185 (8:54:43 PM): either way mine came today urs should be there tomorrow
TSCarterJr (8:55:13 PM): thanks for the heads up
DJT81185 (8:55:21 PM): np
DJT81185 (8:55:25 PM): later
TSCarterJr (8:55:29 PM): bye
I never received the part. Fedex said it was delivered but there was no signature. Only legal proof of delivery is signature. Therefore in the eyes of the law it was never delivered (And it honestly wasnt...I have a hole in my dash where it is supposed to be). There for TNT has to pay.
Not exactly. FedEx won't talk directly to the customer. They only deal w/ the shipper.
TNT (the shipper) says that FedEx denied his claim b/c it was delivered, and the FedEx driver personally saw someone come out of the house to retrieve the package.
DJT didn't believe this, and he has no way to verify anything w/ FedEx. His only recourse is/was to file suit.
Since TNT elected not to defend, there was a default judgement in DJT's favor.
So either one of two things is true:
1. TNT is lying, and he knew that it would come out in court.
2. TNT estimated his cost of defending was higher than the cost of refunding DJT's money.
The only person who REALLY knows what happened is TNT. Personally, I think TNT is stupid for shipping a high dollar item w/o requiring a signature in the first place.
A case was filed with fedex and they denied it saying it was delivered. I had my grandpap at home at time of delivery and he said it wasnt delivered. A tracking number is not legal proof of delivery. A driver could easily steal it and mark it delivered or it could be stolen off the porch.
Legally the shipper is responsible for the package until it arrives in the hands of the recipient. Only way you can guarantee it is in their hands is with signature. Read the fedex/ups waivers.
He got a hold of ups/fedex, they said it was the responsibility of the party that shipped the item to make an insurance claim, and TNT failed to properly follow through with it and more or less told Dan 'tough luck'. At least that is what I got out of talking to him and reading all of this.
They denied the claim but he has given multiple reasons so idk what the actual reason is. Hes been making shit up as he goes along and we've caught him doing it. Like he said fedex told him they saw my gpap pick up the package and wave to him. but this was after on the phone I physically described to him my porch so he could "explain it to fedex" and also explained to him that my gpap was home at time of delivery. Prior to this phone call he had no reason as to why fedex denied the claim. After the phone call...voila fedex had a reason.
And he shipped it without signature required
TNT Autosport has since been removed from Vendor status on cobaltss.net ("the shortbuss" in the above conversations)