question for mike

[tranced]

Mike I was wondering what you recommend for a budget component system for the redline. I don't know if you have a non-mainstream brand that I never heard of. or what brand you prefer. I can find out my HU's rms and peak if you need that. thanks mike.

[Mikeyredline]

Mike I was wondering what you recommend for a budget component system for the redline. I don't know if you have a non-mainstream brand that I never heard of. or what brand you prefer. I can find out my HU's rms and peak if you need that. thanks mike.

Sup meng....

I make a component system. Otherwise, there are not many of real value out there. The problem is is components do not start sounding good until you get over the $200/set mark... There are many 6.5" coaxials that are very good.

Look at these... They may just surprise you. Vifa makes about 80% of the mainstream drivers you see in high end car/home audio... Audax is a french company in which their tweeters are known for a crisp clean sparkle in the 12-15K area... I use them a lot in home audio and their TO09 is one of my favs.

Parts-Express.com:Vifa A16CG-21-04 6-1/2" Coaxial w/Audax Tweeter 4 Ohm | vifa coaxial full range kick panel surround sound center channel fill indoor outdoor newvifa010809 FBR2 VifaBuyOuts050109 (http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=299-275)

[tranced]

wow that's a good price I was thinking I would have to go close to $100 for the two. will they do good in the 22w rms range? would a tweeter in the sail panel be worth it with these? I might go with all four for this price. and what is a to09?

with 4 speakers I need another $22 bucks to make it an even 100 and get free shipping. so what else I need?

[Cat Ion]

a thousand watt amp. That'll get you over $22!

[tranced]

a thousand watt amp. That'll get you over $22!

already have a 1000rms lol.........

[Mikeyredline]

already have a 1000rms lol.........

I bet you don't.... You and I need to have a lengthy conversation about power, because like most others, The assumption is "the more the merrier", and RMS is king. RMS does not mean much, that just means you have 1000W +/- 300ish watts at your disposal. That does not even make for a dynamic range of 1dB. Scary, huh? Also, at what frequency, power factor, and topography is your amp running at.. D? D is garbage and 1000W of crap is still crap. You can do more, and have more power with a 200W a/b, or even class T than D.

It makes me angry because its all a numbers game, and no one number tells you how much acoustic power you have at the end of the day. I do more with my DJ system running a total power of 1,200Wrms with 6dB dynamic overhead (if you want to do the math, every 3dB, considered to be a noticeable volume difference, takes double the power, so yes my system has 3,600Wrms reserved at all times for dynamic peaks, hence my amps are fused at 15A each) running through a system that averages 101dB efficient from 40Hz-22Khz than you will hear with 2-3 times the size and power. Really, I run dual 10" subs that sound like a quad of 15's. Just ask Dave, he has heard it in all of its glory. All of this power and overhead allows me to play for a crowd of 250-300 averaging 100-105dB on the dance floor from 40Hz-22Khz with less than 1% THD.

That is just a small example, and a very brief summary of all that goes into system design. So, we need to talk.

The short answer: Those will be fine with the power you have... Don't let the price fool you. Those speakers are spectacular. Don't sweat the tweeters yet, see the difference these make, I think you will be shocked. If you feel you have too much bass, turn your subs down to match everything else. You only get one set of ears man. Don't forget that. That is what deep and accurate (hard to design and implement) will always be better than loud (1/2" plywood box and big SpeaKeZ.):werd:



There is my audio spewing for one day.

[daythecountrydied21]

What amp would you suggest if I'm just putting a 10" pioneer in for a little extra bump.
Not looking for anything groundbreaking just a little more over the stock lol..although I think it may get addicting for more highs and lows..hehe.

[mantiskungfu]

damn it!!! I knew I forgot something at the meet... I forgot to have every one see how "hot" my amp was with it running full blast lol... I thinks we need to have a mini audio meet at Mikes house..... :hungry: lol I'm free monday.... and next weekend lol

[adrenalinerush04rl]

Id stop by mikeys house...I havent seen this guy in like a year LOL

[Benfica7]

It sounds like chinese when he talks acoustics. lol

[tranced]

I was told my amp was capable of over 1000rms I dont know what frequency it was measured or what the distortion was or anything to that matter. all I know is it has chewed through 8 subs all claiming at least 500 rms some were blown 2 at a time. lol its a very power hungry amp. with where I have it at a less than a quarter turn the low notes make all lights dim at night. I would deff like to get mike to take a look at my system maybe wire it a little different so its not such a big load. and test to see what my amp really puts out. lol


I think I will get those speakers when i get payed so I don't miss the sale. Thanks mike!

[Cat Ion]

I was told my amp was capable of over 1000rms I dont know what frequency it was measured or what the distortion was or anything to that matter. all I know is it has chewed through 8 subs all claiming at least 500 rms some were blown 2 at a time. lol its a very power hungry amp. with where I have it at a less than a quarter turn the low notes make all lights dim at night. I would deff like to get mike to take a look at my system maybe wire it a little different so its not such a big load. and test to see what my amp really puts out. lol


I think I will get those speakers when i get payed so I don't miss the sale. Thanks mike!

Like Mikey said....it's about clean power. If your 1000 watts is dirty and improperly regulated/filtered, it's no wonder why you roasted speakers.

[all4glh]

You can always buy my JL speakers.

[tranced]

You can always buy my JL speakers.

you want all my money! lol first 100 for injectors. now you want my to buy your speakers. if you can mach the price im spending on these......... ill buy them

[Mikeyredline]

you want all my money! lol first 100 for injectors. now you want my to buy your speakers. if you can mach the price im spending on these......... ill buy them

That's a loaded one......



To run a 10 for extra kick?

1. Do you have it yet?
2. Ported, bandpass, or sealed enclosure?
3. What's the rated efficiency?
4. RMS handling/max handling
5. X-max (if stated on paperwork with sub)
6. Resonant Frequency (Fs) of the sub (if stated.

Then we can talk amps.

[tranced]

That's a loaded one......



To run a 10 for extra kick?

1. Do you have it yet? I have a rockford fosgate p3 12
2. Ported, bandpass, or sealed enclosure? sealed
3. What's the rated efficiency? no idea check link
4. RMS handling/max handling 500rms/1000max
5. X-max (if stated on paperwork with sub) (mm) 16.2
6. Resonant Frequency (Fs) of the sub (if stated. 28

Then we can talk amps.

http://www.rockfordfosgate.com/rftech/library/2007/5_Subwoofers/P3D412_revA-TS.pdf

my amp is a jbl bp1200.1 it says 1200watts at 2 ohms. it is supposed to be a mono amp but it has 2 outputs. so I never really knew how to wire it right

http://manuals.harman.com/JBL/CAR/Owner%27s%20Manual/bp_om.pdf

I'm thinking ill have to show up at your house one day and ring this thing out. because my head unit has a lot of sound processing I half ass get. so with the new speakers I need that played with too.

[mantiskungfu]

damn it!!! I knew I forgot something at the meet... I forgot to have every one see how "hot" my amp was with it running full blast lol... I thinks we need to have a mini audio meet at Mikes house..... :hungry: lol I'm free monday.... and next weekend lol

I still like this idea... :D

[Benfica7]

I still like this idea... :D

lol...:werd:

[Mikeyredline]

http://www.rockfordfosgate.com/rftech/library/2007/5_Subwoofers/P3D412_revA-TS.pdf

my amp is a jbl bp1200.1 it says 1200watts at 2 ohms. it is supposed to be a mono amp but it has 2 outputs. so I never really knew how to wire it right

http://manuals.harman.com/JBL/CAR/Owner%27s%20Manual/bp_om.pdf

I'm thinking ill have to show up at your house one day and ring this thing out. because my head unit has a lot of sound processing I half ass get. so with the new speakers I need that played with too.


You have the sub, and enough power... I am impressed Rockford was willing to throw that much info out there. By "sub specs" I have seen, it is a run-of-the-mill x-max monster. Translation: Loud. To get that thing to play deep, you have to go ported and would likely have to have a 3 cube box with a huge port to flatten the response as given in the manual. Remember... Loud, deep, and small....You can only have two of them....

Sealed will give you the loud and small. The sacrifice is you need a shitload of power to get it there... Which lucky you seem to have. So it CAN work... You definitely need a cap on that amp. It is borderline dangerous to run it without one.

To keep it short. It was not short money, but what you have is pretty darn good! :werd: If we can get it configured right, it will be even better. Equipment is only 1/2 the game... Its setup that can make or break the sound.

So audio day at my house... I am thinking mid-July sometime?

[tranced]

You have the sub, and enough power... I am impressed Rockford was willing to throw that much info out there. By "sub specs" I have seen, it is a run-of-the-mill x-max monster. Translation: Loud. To get that thing to play deep, you have to go ported and would likely have to have a 3 cube box with a huge port to flatten the response as given in the manual. Remember... Loud, deep, and small....You can only have two of them....

Sealed will give you the loud and small. The sacrifice is you need a shitload of power to get it there... Which lucky you seem to have. So it CAN work... You definitely need a cap on that amp. It is borderline dangerous to run it without one.

To keep it short. It was not short money, but what you have is pretty darn good! :werd: If we can get it configured right, it will be even better. Equipment is only 1/2 the game... Its setup that can make or break the sound.

So audio day at my house... I am thinking mid-July sometime?

by cap do you mean a capacitor. I cant turn it up with the headlights on it dims bad. but I only have the amp's gain at just about a quarter turn. will you be heading out to the meet we have scheduled for the 28th? if not I will deff head out to your house when you set a date.

now that you mention the "dangerous" part the cavalier I had the amp in before developed some electrical problems after about 30,000 miles of hammering.

[Cat Ion]

Since he has yet to answer, I'll butt in. Yes he's referring to a capacitor. I'm not certain as to how big of a cap you need. He's the audio god. He'll chime in. I had a 1.5F cap on my car when I was running 2 10" Massive Audio woofers and a JBL 4/1 amp.

[tranced]

Since he has yet to answer, I'll butt in. Yes he's referring to a capacitor. I'm not certain as to how big of a cap you need. He's the audio god. He'll chime in. I had a 1.5F cap on my car when I was running 2 10" Massive Audio woofers and a JBL 4/1 amp.

I have always been hesitant with a cap. the one time I used one it didn't seem to work. what kind did you have? Mikey what kind do you recommend?

[Cat Ion]

Mine was an old skool brand. I haven't run a sound system in a car in awhile. I believe it was Lightning Audio. They won't work if wired incorrectly, but if done right, you will note a clear improvement!

[tranced]

Mine was an old skool brand. I haven't run a sound system in a car in awhile. I believe it was Lightning Audio. They won't work if wired incorrectly, but if done right, you will note a clear improvement!

did you have to wait before using the amp a few days to let the cap charge up?

[Cat Ion]

did you have to wait before using the amp a few days to let the cap charge up?

Nope. When installed, it charges nearly instantaneously. I know you need to use a resistor when either charging it or discharging it. I can't remember which.

[tranced]

oh ok well I think That would be installed by mike. I have never done one before.

[bc3tech]

Nope. When installed, it charges nearly instantaneously. I know you need to use a resistor when either charging it or discharging it. I can't remember which.
discharge

[Cat Ion]

discharge

Sounds like you have a problem only a doctor can fix....:shock:

:rofl:

[bc3tech]

Sounds like you have a problem only a doctor can fix....:shock:

:rofl:
i knew that was coming as soon as i posted that. :nofu:

[tranced]

i knew that was coming as soon as i posted that. :nofu:

LOL.


well I got my new speakers in the mail today..... they dont fit the front doors they are too deep incase any one wants to know. Ill have to make a 1/2 inch spacer ring at work tomorrow. but the backs just fell right in.

[all4glh]

The new way of a CAP is a Kinetic battery.

[Mikeyredline]

The new way of a CAP is a Kinetic battery.

Or a supercapactor!!!!

Capt never get ful, they charg over a time constant and usually are aout 70% full after 1 tau, or time constant... The time constant is derived from the current drop across some resistave source ( In this cace I believe there is none due to the high instantanious current capeability of a car battery (non- deep cycle.)

WHat's most important to know is that a capacitoe "looks" like a short circuit when first plugged in.. As it charges, it looks more like a break (high resistance) in the line. Remembercurrent flown when there is a potential for it to flow. When a cap is fully charged, there is no potential (max voltage), and when fully discharged, there is full potential (no voltage).

Caps 101 complete.

Tranced... I though the depth would fit! sorry about that. The spacer should not be a problem. Let me know if you ned a hand.

[all4glh]

LOL.


well I got my new speakers in the mail today..... they dont fit the front doors they are too deep incase any one wants to know. Ill have to make a 1/2 inch spacer ring at work tomorrow. but the backs just fell right in.

See, should have bought my JLs.

[tranced]

See, should have bought my JLs.

your getting enough of my money LOL.

[tranced]

I got the new speakers installed made the spacers and everything it went well. These speakers sound way better than 19 bucks a piece. thanks for the help mike. I cant wait for the house party!!! I need it tuned and hopefully a cap installed any suggestions?

[Mikeyredline]

I got the new speakers installed made the spacers and everything it went well. These speakers sound way better than 19 bucks a piece. thanks for the help mike. I cant wait for the house party!!! I need it tuned and hopefully a cap installed any suggestions?

Nice job on the install... It is kind of insane just how good they are, huh? They are at least as good as a $150/pr coaxials. I would put my audio life in Vifa's hands. I may need to get some before they are gone... Did I mention they are water resistant too? , They are pretty heavy duty and basically are a buy-out from a "famous maker" (cough: boston acoustics :cough) back-yard rock speakers....

As for a cap... 1-1.5 Farad is fine. No need for overkill. If you used one before and it did not work, it was not hooked up correctly. I remember when I was running 2x15's (when I was young and dumb) and I could actually stall my car from the draw on the amp. I put a cap in and the lights barely even dimmed. And that was over 10 years ago! Not to mention a cap will supply constant voltage to your system making it MUCH more stable. Tip of the day... If you can, run your head unit off the cap as well!

I want to do a system in my car now.... I am starting to get the itch.... :hungry::hungry:

[mantiskungfu]

Nice job on the install... It is kind of insane just how good they are, huh? They are at least as good as a $150/pr coaxials. I would put my audio life in Vifa's hands. I may need to get some before they are gone... Did I mention they are water resistant too? , They are pretty heavy duty and basically are a buy-out from a "famous maker" (cough: boston acoustics :cough) back-yard rock speakers....

As for a cap... 1-1.5 Farad is fine. No need for overkill. If you used one before and it did not work, it was not hooked up correctly. I remember when I was running 2x15's (when I was young and dumb) and I could actually stall my car from the draw on the amp. I put a cap in and the lights barely even dimmed. And that was over 10 years ago! Not to mention a cap will supply constant voltage to your system making it MUCH more stable. Tip of the day... If you can, run your head unit off the cap as well!

I want to do a system in my car now.... I am starting to get the itch.... :hungry::hungry:
lol don't worry mike... this wedding is almost done, then in a couple of months you can start working on mine again and satisfy that itch lol

[Benfica7]

must....resist...new....speakers!!!!......:hungry:

[tranced]

Nice job on the install... It is kind of insane just how good they are, huh? They are at least as good as a $150/pr coaxials. I would put my audio life in Vifa's hands. I may need to get some before they are gone... Did I mention they are water resistant too? , They are pretty heavy duty and basically are a buy-out from a "famous maker" (cough: boston acoustics :cough) back-yard rock speakers....

As for a cap... 1-1.5 Farad is fine. No need for overkill. If you used one before and it did not work, it was not hooked up correctly. I remember when I was running 2x15's (when I was young and dumb) and I could actually stall my car from the draw on the amp. I put a cap in and the lights barely even dimmed. And that was over 10 years ago! Not to mention a cap will supply constant voltage to your system making it MUCH more stable. Tip of the day... If you can, run your head unit off the cap as well!

I want to do a system in my car now.... I am starting to get the itch.... :hungry::hungry:

so.... could I get another one of those awesome links to an obscure, insanely cheap, amazingly awesome cap?

lol don't worry mike... this wedding is almost done, then in a couple of months you can start working on mine again and satisfy that itch lol


if that isn't soon enough, ill be there for your july thing mike. and if the price is right with a cap to install.

[Mikeyredline]

so.... could I get another one of those awesome links to an obscure, insanely cheap, amazingly awesome cap?




if that isn't soon enough, ill be there for your july thing mike. and if the price is right with a cap to install.

No obscure links this time... BUT since a car cap is acting as nothing more than a constant voltage, current reservoir, any cap will do. It does not have to be expensive. ESR and all that stuff really does not matter all that much. Mainly since its on a sub and HF noise will not be heard anyway. So if you find cheap, go for it.

If this was going on an amp for mids/high it would be a bit different.

Maybe I will have my next project done by then. I am starting it today... :browsmiley:

I will give y'all a teaser... It is a portable, lightweight, I-pod dock with Mikey-sound (i.e. makes the Bose dock sound like child's play... heck it will have DOUBLE the power....), more flexibility than a cheerleader, and be weather resistant.

[tranced]

Nice I would like to see that. scott K is selling a 1 farad rockford cap I asked him a price so hopefully that works out.

[Benfica7]

Maybe I will have my next project done by then. I am starting it today... :browsmiley:

I will give y'all a teaser... It is a portable, lightweight, I-pod dock with Mikey-sound (i.e. makes the Bose dock sound like child's play... heck it will have DOUBLE the power....), more flexibility than a cheerleader, and be weather resistant.

Will this facilitate all gens of I-pods???

[mantiskungfu]

Will this facilitate all gens of I-pods???

not only that, but any mp3 player, guitar, computer, basically anything with a headphone jack.... it sounds wicked sweet!!!! and can't wait till the test prototype is finished...

[Benfica7]

not only that, but any mp3 player, guitar, computer, basically anything with a headphone jack.... it sounds wicked sweet!!!! and can't wait till the test prototype is finished...

I see someone's in the loop....:rofl:

[mantiskungfu]

I see someone's in the loop....:rofl:

lol I was the one who got him all fired up about it... lol cause I already know ppl who would buy it. oh and he also has another project lined up... any one know what you get with lots of sound and a canteen truck?? lol

[Benfica7]

lol I was the one who got him all fired up about it... lol cause I already know ppl who would buy it. oh and he also has another project lined up... any one know what you get with lots of sound and a canteen truck?? lol

A mobile DJ station???...lol he could show up to places open the sides, and BOOM! instant music!

[mantiskungfu]

A mobile DJ station???...lol he could show up to places open the sides, and BOOM! instant music!

lol it's not for him... and I did say canteen truck didn't I??? lol I'm talking about food... Welcome to Mick's Munchies (http://micksmunchies.com/)

[Benfica7]

lol it's not for him... and I did say canteen truck didn't I??? lol I'm talking about food... Welcome to Mick's Munchies (http://micksmunchies.com/)

Is that someone you know?...My mom's godfather (my great uncle) owns a canteen business= Joe's Canteen in Taunton

[mantiskungfu]

Is that someone you know?...My mom's godfather (my great uncle) owns a canteen business= Joe's Canteen in Taunton

lol no shit, he comes to my work... lol yeah thats my brother-in-law, he is trying to start one up...

[Benfica7]

lol no shit, he comes to my work... lol yeah thats my brother-in-law, he is trying to start one up...

haha the world is too small...

[mantiskungfu]

haha the world is too small...

lol I will have to mention it to him that I know you... maybe I can get some free food out of it lol

[Benfica7]

lol I will have to mention it to him that I know you... maybe I can get some free food out of it lol

lol it's all about food with you!...is it an older guy or a younger guy, the younger guy is his son (my cousin)

[mantiskungfu]

lol it's all about food with you!...is it an older guy or a younger guy, the younger guy is his son (my cousin)

I don't know what your definition of young and old... he goes by the name of joe... ?

[Benfica7]

I don't know what your definition of young and old... he goes by the name of joe... ?

Is Joe... like big?...like built?

[Mikeyredline]

Nice I would like to see that. scott K is selling a 1 farad rockford cap I asked him a price so hopefully that works out.

Sounds like he is stripping down his son's celica. That car sounded sick. I did custom subs for him... Unless it is the cap for himself. Who knows,... Scott's always selling something good!!!

not only that, but any mp3 player, guitar, computer, basically anything with a headphone jack.... it sounds wicked sweet!!!! and can't wait till the test prototype is finished...

Way to blow a load all over the screen, Dave... I was making it kind of a surprise.... *facepalm*

[Benfica7]

Way to blow a load all over the screen, Dave... I was making it kind of a surprise.... *facepalm*

http://i665.photobucket.com/albums/vv17/Benfica12/chipperrs0.gif

[Mikeyredline]

http://i665.photobucket.com/albums/vv17/Benfica12/chipperrs0.gif


That is by far THE best look of disgust I have ever seen.... I lol'd...

I started making sawdust for the HIFI-pods tonight...

[Benfica7]

That is by far THE best look of disgust I have ever seen.... I lol'd...

he likes it, he really likes it! :rofl:

that gif is mikey approved!

[tranced]

http://i665.photobucket.com/albums/vv17/Benfica12/chipperrs0.gif


haha ryan is in love with this thing

[mantiskungfu]

Sounds like he is stripping down his son's celica. That car sounded sick. I did custom subs for him... Unless it is the cap for himself. Who knows,... Scott's always selling something good!!!



Way to blow a load all over the screen, Dave... I was making it kind of a surprise.... *facepalm*

:( I'm sorry mike.... please don't hate me, I got excited... :(

[Benfica7]

:( I'm sorry mike.... please don't hate me, I got excited... :(

I think Mikey would agree that you need a no homo at the end of this statement.

[Mikeyredline]

Its cool man. Not hate... I love to much to hate. Specially my king fu king! NO HOMO!


Anyway.... I already started thinking of better versions. But the key to this system is not just my speaker design, but what I am calling my "inversion protected summing power supply" that gets you sick battery life with "off the shelf" batteries while maintaining natural, realistic musical presentation and dynamics... :facelick:

[tranced]

Its cool man. Not hate... I love to much to hate. Specially my king fu king! NO HOMO!


Anyway.... I already started thinking of better versions. But the key to this system is not just my speaker design, but what I am calling my "inversion protected summing power supply" that gets you sick battery life with "off the shelf" batteries while maintaining natural, realistic musical presentation and dynamics... :facelick:

Is there nothing he can't do!!!!:shrug:

[Benfica7]

Is there nothing he can't do!!!!:shrug:

Yeah, he can't do nothing, but he can do something. :read:

[Mikeyredline]

Is there nothing he can't do!!!!:shrug:

I can't lick myself like my dog can....

By the way, I am disappointed no one picked up on my ninja...

[Benfica7]

I saw it...I just didn't say anything. lol Paul forgot to delete it...

[tranced]

I saw it...I just didn't say anything. lol Paul forgot to delete it...

what???:freak:

[Mikeyredline]

what???:freak:

:ninja:



and uh....


:attachment:<- no homo...


Oh, I saw a silver RL today driving on 95S. The thing looked like it was just taken off the lot. There was some old guy driving it! It had plates n' all so I do not think it was from a dealer, or being transported... It was sexy. :boink:

[tranced]

:ninja:



and uh....


:attachment:<- no homo...


Oh, I saw a silver RL today driving on 95S. The thing looked like it was just taken off the lot. There was some old guy driving it! It had plates n' all so I do not think it was from a dealer, or being transported... It was sexy. :boink:

oh yea!!:bananahump:

[Benfica7]

A silver RL...sexy?... I'd have to see it to believe it. lol

Are you coming to our next meet Mike?

[tranced]

so the I got the cap Sunday, and got it in today. i charged it up and it works but im still getting dimming lights with the headlights on. is this to be expected or did I do something wrong? mike we still having an audio meet?

[Benfica7]

what he said^...I think something might not be kosher with mine.

Dave seemed to think my sub should have more bass than it does.

[mantiskungfu]

best way to get a hold of mike now a days is by phone... but hopefully he will pop on and give some insight... I two would like an audio meet.