Devil's Own meth injection

[04Redline]

Hello all I purchased my Cobalt ss progressive kit for the Saturn Ion Redline, as its the same car. Install was a breeze, took some time because we were trying to make the install look hidden. Pics can be seen here:
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q115/Shaunmcdee/Meth%20kit%20install/Methkitinstall5.jpg
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q115/Shaunmcdee/Meth%20kit%20install/Methkitinstall4.jpg
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q115/Shaunmcdee/Meth%20kit%20install/Methkitinstall3.jpg
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q115/Shaunmcdee/Meth%20kit%20install/Methkitinstall2.jpg
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q115/Shaunmcdee/Meth%20kit%20install/methkitinstall1.jpg


I assure you in every pic you see theres something related to the meth injection kit on it.
I needed this kit, for a before and after run at LACR raceway before it was ripped up. Devils own, told me there was a small delay on my kit, but rest assured it would get to me ontime. That it did! I had enough time to install, and tune my car to get ready for LACR. Thanks again Devils own!
For tuning i was able to run 24 degrees of timing thruout my Wide open throttle power band shown here:
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q115/Shaunmcdee/Meth%20kit%20install/untitled.jpg
(timing table has had a drastic change, big thanks to area47 for his "educated guessing")

I see absolutley no knock. Im positive with this kit, i can safely drop 2 pulley sizes down. Im so sure in fact, i have a 2.6 pulley sitting right next to me waiting to be installed!
Now on to some results on the track.
My best prior to meth injection is a 13.5@101.6 mph, not too shabby from a saturn huh?
with the meth kit installed and running as much timing as i did, i run a 13.1@106.6 mph. These cars love meth injection!
here are some vids showing the results. Im the Blue car.
With a horrible 2.5 60' i find myself playing catch up:
http://good-times.webshots.com/video/3013435590074178195PAPidr
06 WRX STI, AWD goes down:
http://good-times.webshots.com/video/3060001900074178195LRksCy
Crossfire SRT6 gets me, due to a slipping clutch that you hear, beats me by 3 tenths:
http://good-times.webshots.com/video/3019033350074178195BFuFMH

In conclusion thank you Devils own for making an affordable easy to install kit, and of course your awesome customer service!
Everyone else whos hasnt bought a kit yet....BUY THE DAMN KIT!!!!!!!

[mrphoto103]

what is the cost, general maintenance, etc for having a meth system? I know nothing about it.

[Area47]

slicks? dr's?
i think you're just guessing im educated
:D

hehehe

what mods did you have on the 13.1 run?

[Doc]

edumicated my ass....;)

I've been debating about one for a long time.

[Area47]

edumicated my ass....;)

I've been debating about one for a long time.

edumicat ya on wut?

[04Redline]

Mr. P
So far no maintence really. But since im running a 2.6 pulley. I religously pull my blower every other week, examine rotors, and feel for coupler play.
Every month i re-grease the bearings, that much heat eats the poor grease up. But asides from the maintence i do on the blower, ive heard of ppl who just run meth, and do nothing more than fill it up every so often.
It cost me 300 for the progressive kit, i did the install, it costs me 40 bucks for a 5 gallon tub of methanol. that roughly lasts me 1 to 2 months depending how heavy i am on the gas. I also used to mix meth with distilled water, now im at the point where i dont bother, and lately have come to find i use less meth when i dont mix it, roughly because i know deep down ill run out faster, lol.


Area47
borrowed slicks, a 1.8 60' and a prayer, lol.
2.6 pulley, 60s, zzp header, 3inch catless dp, 2.5 inch magnaflow (muffler is blown out) methanol, all cooling mods, including a afco dual pass HE, traction bars, that are now snapped. I pretty much have every bolt on under the sun, minus the motor mounts, rear sway bar, and coilovers.
the car was also gutted, no seats, no trunk equipment, no center console, carpet gone as well. I got my 13.1, but it was alot farther than what most of you would go thru, im sure.
to put things in perspective, i went to fontana few weekends ago to race, i went full wieght, spare and all stereo equip, street tires, and my slipping clutch and only managed a 14.2 @ 102, lol (the clutch would catch at 60ish mph) This is on a stock clutch no less.

Hope this helps guys, if theres any more questions regarding the meth kit, lemme know, i would be more than willing to lend a hand

[Cat Ion]

Is the meth kit useful for daily driving? I mean, do you keep it full all the time or do you fill up on race day?

While I'm gone to Korea, I'm saving money to possibly do the blower porting with Steig's and get it painted, meth install, lower the car, and add rims/KDW's. Just not sure which to do first. I considered dropping the pulley to 2.85" and then get HP tuned some more to compensate for the better breathing.

[04Redline]

Normally i try to keep at least some type of methanol in there, just in case, lol
But for daily driving i normally never go over 4k anyways, and usually very easy on the throttle since my clutch cant hold up to the power anymore.
But i usually dont refill until im halfway down the resevoir
hope this helps.

[MGM1979]

LACR - Palmdale? (when were those runs made?)

Nice work - I definitely want to do the Meth kit come springtime...a cross-country move and buying a house might put a small damper on that, but we'll give it a helluva college try!

[04Redline]

yes sir, although i never made a 13.1 pass in palmdale, lol
i think thatsimpossible for our cars there.
My best came out of famoso in bakersfield, low elevation, cold weather, gutted. Everything in my favor.
I used the palmdale track as my test bed as there was noone that races there, so i had as many runs as i wanted, and i would get no question on any improvments i may have gotten. (mind you this was all done before they ripped up lacr)
My best prior to meth with a 2.8 and 60s @lacr was a 14.7@97 mph
my best with meth and 2.8 @lacr was 14.5@98mph
my best at lacr w/meth, 2.6 and 60s was 14.1@??? i dont remember, and i cant find that slip to pull up for my trap =(

fast forward a month or so forward, full bolt on, header, and all exhaust work and borrowed slicks, gutted at famoso
13.1 @ 106 first run of the day, i kept getting slower thruout the day. i still think the time was a fluke, i managed a 1.8 60' i never managed to get anything faster than a 2.0' lol it was my first time on slicks, lol
Hope this helps man, you coming back to gool ole cali?

[MGM1979]

I was gonna say about the 13s at Palmdale...would be 12s anywhere else...

Still all that work and the low 13s is pretty damn impressive - that bodes well for my "vision" if I can ever get it into action again. Who's doing the tuning?

I'll be back to Cali - not to live, but still have family and friends out there so it's only a matter of time. Maybe this summer, depending on how the move to CO plays out...

[04Redline]

I am doing the tuning sir. normal tune is 11.6-11.8 with 23 degrees of timing.
my race tune is 12.0afr with a modified stage 2 timing table, 9 degrees everywhere, and 25 degrees from 3500 on up for my wot table.

And yes, palmdale is such a pain in butt track to race at...well it was anyways. By CO you mean colorado? If so, that would suck man, talk about worse conditions than palmdale, at least at mile high, lol.

Hope this helps

[MGM1979]

I am doing the tuning sir. normal tune is 11.6-11.8 with 23 degrees of timing.
my race tune is 12.0afr with a modified stage 2 timing table, 9 degrees everywhere, and 25 degrees from 3500 on up for my wot table.

And yes, palmdale is such a pain in butt track to race at...well it was anyways. By CO you mean colorado? If so, that would suck man, talk about worse conditions than palmdale, at least at mile high, lol.

Hope this helps

Very cool - I might want to see that some day...I'm hoping Santa hooks me up with a kit this year and then start playing with it before the heat sets in out here.

Mile High it is - obviously not moving there for the race conditions, but I figure between the altitude and the injection kit, I should be able to go back to the 42lb injectors with ease. At least to keep my going long enough for the Camaro SS to come out and HPT to crack that one...:hungry:

[04Redline]

Haha, ya man lemme know when u wanna see the tune, ill let ya take a look at it, its nothing out of the ordinary, well maybe the pe because of the meth, but thats about it.
Mile high ftl, hell in those conditions it wouldnt surprise me none to have 42lbers and a 2.7 pulley.

[mrphoto103]

I can deal with this maintenance level. What happens if you run the car with the reservoir empty?

[Area47]

I can deal with this maintenance level. What happens if you run the car with the reservoir empty?

boom.

[mrphoto103]

hahahahaahha

point made, lol. So can you shut it off and run it only when you want or is it the kind of thing that once you start using you have to keep going, like the crack rock?50

[Area47]

hahahahaahha

point made, lol. So can you shut it off and run it only when you want or is it the kind of thing that once you start using you have to keep going, like the crack rock?50

mine is boost based actually. it's retarded simple. so less shit goes wrong.

it hits 5 psi, and starts spraying. not per Hz on the maf scaling. that scares me. i will know when mine is not spraying because i will feel it. i go through maybe a gallon every three weeks. if that.

hence how i did 280/265 on a 2.7. it would take someone race gas to do that, or a smaller pulley.

[04Redline]

Yes indeedy, mine is based off of boost as well, but mine is a progressive kit. i use maybe a gallon every other week or so, depending. I use the windshield wiper res as my tank, lol.

[mrphoto103]

this is just wetting my whistle more and more...

How is it boost controlled? What do you use?

[04Redline]

Its based off the map sensor. a simple vamp tap is all u need to get your signal from it.
mine is a progressive kit, so from 7psi, it will start slowly spraying its fine mist, then at full boost mine is set at 12 psi, it turns on full blast and unleashes a unseen fury of methanol....or maybe a little more aggresive then a fine mist. But thats the jist of it.

[mrphoto103]

damn you people. How much is this setup going to set me back? =)

More money I dont have for the car. My plans list keeps growing

[04Redline]

http://www.alcohol-injection.com/water-injection-kits-1/chevy-20/cobalt-ss-progressive-injection-kit-106.html
the 300 kit is the progressive kit, just like mine.
the base kit, is more along the lines of area 47s kit.
Both are very good kits, only thing is i would suggest getting the self sealing level float i think its like 25 bucks if im not mistaken, it takes the guessing out of how much meth u have in the res.

[mrphoto103]

for 300-350, im adding this to the "to do" list.

Thanks for all the input. When Im ready I'll probably ask more questions.

[Area47]

you can get a boost reference kit {hobbs switch} kit for 179 bucks.

[M-Dub]

you can get a boost reference kit {hobbs switch} kit for 179 bucks.

You're my hero.... Hopefully we can get mine done this weekend!!

[Area47]

we'll get it done antsy pants.

[mrphoto103]

you can get a boost reference kit {hobbs switch} kit for 179 bucks.

What does that do for you?

[MGM1979]

Wasn't BWoody selling these at one time...???

[lightning]

help a newb out here.

what's the point of this mod? does it actually do something to assist performance, or is it just something that sounds cool to talk about?

[mrphoto103]

oh, it does assist performance. It lowers your IAT's among other things. I have seen it on a few RL's in person and know that it makes a diff

[bc3tech]

oh, it does assist performance. It lowers your IAT's among other things. I have seen it on a few RL's in person and know that it makes a diff
exactly. esp w/ the heat the eaton m62 makes at higher boost levels, in particular.
hell even w/ stg2 i've seen IATs rise to the 160 level, which results in timing being pulled by the ECM (to avoid knock), and subsequently, a reduction in horsepower. If you can keep the IATs low (which is what meth does), then you can run more timing, and thereby gain more power.

that's the gist of it, anyway.

[04Redline]

Well yea and no, because im spraying thru the blower, my iat2 temps are taking a huge reduction in temps as you all may think. although, if you were to spray after the blower, then the temp drop is tremendous. Im pretty much using it only as an octane booster. My real cooling comes from a dual pass endplate, an afco dual pass HE and an extra resevoir to hold more fluid. the system works like a charm, and in 100 degree weather my iat2 temps might hit 160 or so, after a few full 3rd gear pulls. Hope this helps.

[mrphoto103]

Is it a huge pain to spray after the blower?

This is part of the reason I now want the meth kit. I have a dual HE setup and because of the heat and humidity here I know this will help me alot. The CF hood may help get rid of some of the heat, but Im looking to the HE and meth to help the most. After meth, dp, and exhaust I'll need to get re tuned as my car was tuned for the midwest which I think will be totally different than down here. I need to visit one of the club tuners we have to get scanned and see what my tables look like compared to some of the others in our club.

[Doc]

Intense sells a spacer that you can put under the blower for that reason. Not sure if it is big enough though.

[04Redline]

after you drill and tap it, its plenty big. And it will also tighten your belt even more. Hope you all get what im trying to say, lol

[Area47]

this winter im pulling my blower and doing the plate, running dual nozzles. one before and one after. massive drop in iat's, plus the fmHE i have now, it should be good in the summer

[04Redline]

running a cobra?

[Area47]

yepo. i am now. it's good to see the iat2's about 5 degree's warmer after the blower than the iat1's

:D

[04Redline]

Dang you for low iat1 temps, i need an intake, i modified my stocker, lol.